Catching Foxes

Two guys talking about the collision of faith and culture. Discussion over Instruction. *Occasionally explicit.

About the show

Luke and Gomer became friends Freshman year at the Franciscan University of Steubenville and 14 years later they started a podcast. The show oscillates between a conversation between just the two of us and interviews that we do together of other, fancier people. Sometimes we get explicit either by being too honest or by being too stupid. Either way, it's fun!

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  • Principles of Liturgy with Dr. Chris Carstens

    July 24th, 2022  |  1 hr 21 mins

    We talk liturgy... OK, OK, I get it. I've been doing this a lot. But, in my defense, Pope Francis is moving and shaking a lot in the liturgy sphere lately. So it's out of my control. I'm a victim of circumstance. BUT I got the literal best guy to talk about this stuff, Dr. Chris Carstens

  • Dr. Abigail Favale on Gender Theory, with surprise guest LUKE CAREY!

    July 3rd, 2022  |  1 hr 28 mins

    I love Dr. Abigail Favale and her work in the Church is much needed. Her new book, The Genesis of Gender: A Christian Theory by Ignatius Press is out and is poppin' fresh. We discuss the main figures of the feminist movement and the core of their philosophies as it shifts into the gender movement: Simone de Beauvoir, Margaret Sanger, and Judith Butler. Then Luke walks in. Literally, he walked straight into her conference room where Dr. Favale was recording and joined the show. His audio sucks because he's on his phone. I spent 40 minutes just trying to make it sound better. This is what you get. Anywho, good conversation. And boy do I miss Lukey.

  • Nothing Excessive: faith and the sacraments with John DeRosa

    June 26th, 2022  |  1 hr 31 mins

    John DeRosa is an incredible Catholic who runs the Classical Theism Podcast. He interviewed me for the show and we decided to dual-release it. His version will come out in a couple of weeks or so because, unlike me, he plans ahead for months. We talk about why the sacraments are not "super-added" to simple gospel faith, but are integral to it.

  • Clean My Space interview with Melissa Maker!

    June 16th, 2022  |  1 hr 6 mins

    Gomer got another YouTube religion: clean my space. So while Luke is away, I decided to email my favorite YouTubers and chat about their life, work, and success. Melissa was the first to get back to me and she does not disappoint. We talk cleaning, our hatred of it, how it can ruin marriages, and then practical products and tips on actually cleaning. It's like therapy.

  • Inside the Priesthood

    June 12th, 2022  |  2 hrs 6 mins

    We interview Fr. David Hust to talk about the things priests do and how they should do them well: weddings, funerals, confession, and the Holy Mass. This show is basically in three parts: Confessions, then Mass in general, then the Weddings/Funerals topic. We also reference "Mass of the Ages, ep. 2" which was pretty incredible at explaining how the liturgy when from Latin Mass to Novus Ordo without being jerks about it.

  • Exhausted: Work Doesn't Have to Kill Us

    June 5th, 2022  |  1 hr 38 mins

    First, you are burning out. Second, it's not entirely your fault. Third, here's how to take steps to change it all.

  • From Inner City Charter Schools to Homeschooling

    May 28th, 2022  |  1 hr 29 mins

    Temporary Co-Host, Brian Jones, returns to NOT talk about the liturgy. Instead, we discuss his time in a Cleveland inner-city charter school as a teacher and compare/contrast institutional schooling (public, charter, private, parochial) with homeschooling (hybrid, classical, and Robinson Curriculum). We also talk about the stupid "super Catholic" pressures we put on each other when it comes to schooling, number of kids, age of marriage, etc.

  • Atonement Theology NERDFEST with John DeRosa of the Classical Theism Podcast

    May 22nd, 2022  |  1 hr 39 mins

    (originally aired 08/2021, "What do Catholics Say about the Atonement?" on the Classical Theism Podcast) John is a fantastic man. He's a high school math teacher at a public school and defends 2,000 years of the Catholic Intellectual Tradition on the side. He really does love the God of classical theism. This was initially aired on his great podcast: Classic Theism Podcast, episode 160. He emailed me 20 minutes ago letting me use this for CF. He's the best!

  • Done with Liturgy Wars, with Brian Jones

    May 15th, 2022  |  1 hr 56 mins

    It's about liturgy, but not liturgy wars. In these or similar words.

  • Frat boy, Seminarian, Husband, Veteran, Lawyer, Father of 11, Chris Miller

    May 8th, 2022  |  1 hr 44 mins

    This guy. Starts with a bloody crucifix in my parent's house and leads to OSU frat life, to seminary, to engagement with his now-wife, to the military, to law school, to an oil company to 11 kids and counting. We discuss his St Paul-like conversion within Catholicism, his annoyance with Traditional Latin Mass communities as a grown-ass man, dealing with Pope Francis's comments that cut him deep, his experience of Iraq during wartime, and keeping his faith alive all along the way. We talk about things like what it's like having 11 kids today and how he deals with stupid comments.

  • Beige Boomers, Rad Trads, and the New Traditionalism with Dr. Larry Chapp

    April 30th, 2022  |  55 mins 11 secs

    We discuss all things liturgy in this second half of our conversation. Vatican II's theology was great, but its pastoral implementation, which is ironic, was miserable. Also we find out Dr. Larry Chapp is an adult Altar Boy... An ALTAR MAN!

  • Why the Hell? with Dr. Larry Chapp

    April 23rd, 2022  |  1 hr 4 mins

    Gomer interviews Dr. Larry Chapp about Hell, Hans Urs von Balthasar, and Tradicals in the Church. He's loud, opinionated, fun, and smart as HELL. We dance around Nouvelle Theologie, Thomas Aquinas, and the state of the Church. This is part 1 of 2. (the audio quality ain't great on my end, but it is definitely listenable.)

  • Genitals are NOT a Footnote! with Christopher West

    April 2nd, 2022  |  1 hr 44 mins

    We got Kanye West's older brother, Christopher, and his friend, Mike Mangione to talk theology of the body, gender, genitals, generation, music, waterskiing, and God is Beauty, a retreat Saint Pope John Paul II gave to artists in 1962. Incredible stuff

  • Instruction! With Thomist hack Fr. Gregory Pine!

    March 26th, 2022  |  1 hr 19 mins

    Chapters! Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. talks about his new book. Well, he wants to but Gomer doesn't let him for the first 60 minutes. Instead, GOMER HAS QUESTIONS! Recorded on Feb 23, 2022, so, you know, better late than never!

  • Our History is filled with violence

    March 19th, 2022  |  1 hr 7 mins

    We talk about Russia, then Catholic Stuff You Should Know

  • The Batman (Catching Foxes Ruins the Movies)

    March 12th, 2022  |  1 hr 5 mins

    Spoiler review. Don't plan on watching the movie? Then you will still love this episode as we discuss the bigger themes, film, and the hero's journey.