Catching Foxes

Two guys talking about the collision of faith and culture. Discussion over Instruction. *Occasionally explicit.

About the show

Luke and Gomer became friends Freshman year at the Franciscan University of Steubenville and 14 years later they started a podcast. The show oscillates between a conversation between just the two of us and interviews that we do together of other, fancier people. Sometimes we get explicit either by being too honest or by being too stupid. Either way, it's fun!

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  • Atonement Theology NERDFEST with John DeRosa of the Classical Theism Podcast

    May 22nd, 2022  |  1 hr 39 mins

    (originally aired 08/2021, "What do Catholics Say about the Atonement?" on the Classical Theism Podcast) John is a fantastic man. He's a high school math teacher at a public school and defends 2,000 years of the Catholic Intellectual Tradition on the side. He really does love the God of classical theism. This was initially aired on his great podcast: Classic Theism Podcast, episode 160. He emailed me 20 minutes ago letting me use this for CF. He's the best!

  • Done with Liturgy Wars, with Brian Jones

    May 15th, 2022  |  1 hr 56 mins

    It's about liturgy, but not liturgy wars. In these or similar words.

  • Frat boy, Seminarian, Husband, Veteran, Lawyer, Father of 11, Chris Miller

    May 8th, 2022  |  1 hr 44 mins

    This guy. Starts with a bloody crucifix in my parent's house and leads to OSU frat life, to seminary, to engagement with his now-wife, to the military, to law school, to an oil company to 11 kids and counting. We discuss his St Paul-like conversion within Catholicism, his annoyance with Traditional Latin Mass communities as a grown-ass man, dealing with Pope Francis's comments that cut him deep, his experience of Iraq during wartime, and keeping his faith alive all along the way. We talk about things like what it's like having 11 kids today and how he deals with stupid comments.

  • Beige Boomers, Rad Trads, and the New Traditionalism with Dr. Larry Chapp

    April 30th, 2022  |  55 mins 11 secs

    We discuss all things liturgy in this second half of our conversation. Vatican II's theology was great, but its pastoral implementation, which is ironic, was miserable. Also we find out Dr. Larry Chapp is an adult Altar Boy... An ALTAR MAN!

  • Why the Hell? with Dr. Larry Chapp

    April 23rd, 2022  |  1 hr 4 mins

    Gomer interviews Dr. Larry Chapp about Hell, Hans Urs von Balthasar, and Tradicals in the Church. He's loud, opinionated, fun, and smart as HELL. We dance around Nouvelle Theologie, Thomas Aquinas, and the state of the Church. This is part 1 of 2. (the audio quality ain't great on my end, but it is definitely listenable.)

  • Genitals are NOT a Footnote! with Christopher West

    April 2nd, 2022  |  1 hr 44 mins

    We got Kanye West's older brother, Christopher, and his friend, Mike Mangione to talk theology of the body, gender, genitals, generation, music, waterskiing, and God is Beauty, a retreat Saint Pope John Paul II gave to artists in 1962. Incredible stuff

  • Instruction! With Thomist hack Fr. Gregory Pine!

    March 26th, 2022  |  1 hr 19 mins

    Chapters! Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. talks about his new book. Well, he wants to but Gomer doesn't let him for the first 60 minutes. Instead, GOMER HAS QUESTIONS! Recorded on Feb 23, 2022, so, you know, better late than never!

  • Our History is filled with violence

    March 19th, 2022  |  1 hr 7 mins

    We talk about Russia, then Catholic Stuff You Should Know

  • The Batman (Catching Foxes Ruins the Movies)

    March 12th, 2022  |  1 hr 5 mins

    Spoiler review. Don't plan on watching the movie? Then you will still love this episode as we discuss the bigger themes, film, and the hero's journey.

  • Tired With You vs. Tired Of You

    March 5th, 2022  |  1 hr 18 mins

    When society itself is burned out, men and women are no longer tired but exhausted. We experience this as "I'm tired of you". It's hyperpassivity and non-rest. Sabbath is holy because you REST from WORK. The only way back to genuine tiredness is shared prayer, shared mission, shared learning, and shared fellowship.

  • Rent, Economy, and Corruption... and Multiverse of Madness

    February 25th, 2022  |  1 hr 32 mins

    Topic: when the economy crushes our souls. Pre-game topics: Gomer's neighbors, a spat about renting, and The Multiverse of Madness trailer released at the Super Bowl.

  • Ten Minute Talks, Part Deux (Discord Version)

    February 18th, 2022  |  1 hr 33 mins
    catholic, fitness, lord of the rings, prayer

    Opening: Books Gomer bought, Luke Processes the Super Bowl Loss. Ten-Minute Topics: What are your thoughts about the new Lord of the Rings storyline? How are the fitness and reading goals going, Luke? Graduate and professional school students and faith life? Winter Olympics? Ya watchin’? What is the appropriate angst one should feel towards the "once-in-a-lifetime" societal failures happening every 8 years?

  • Mass Misinformation in Our Ten Minute Topics!

    February 11th, 2022  |  1 hr 29 mins

    Luke enters the beauty and grace of "Clean My Space" and gets a sweet-looking kitchen sink! Then we talk about our Apple-Watch-Induced health competition. Then take questions from our Patreon Supporters!

  • 30 Minutes for Prayer?! Where?

    February 4th, 2022  |  1 hr 26 mins

    Chapters! Luke is in a magazine and his team is in the Super Bowl! Gomer updates us on his family situation, including depression, exercise, and Reading Aloud. Then we talk about Stress Management, Health, and Prayer.

  • Gomer thinks of quitting the show

    January 28th, 2022  |  1 hr 19 mins
    burnout, catholic, fatigue, work

    (sorry for the audio) "The animal wrests the whip from its master and whips itself in order to become master, not knowing that this is only a fantasy produced by a new knot in the master's whiplash." Gomer contemplated quitting because he's doing a hundred things and realized that so is Luke. It's a bit much, but we are doing this to ourselves. Over and over again.

  • Surprise Guest: JD Flynn from The Pillar

    January 22nd, 2022  |  1 hr 26 mins

    Luke and I are chatting away when JD calls in the middle of the show. So we put him on and talk about what it is like reporting on the Church and for the Church. And why some people don't like it.